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Derfor laver Monty Roberts clinic med Big Lick TWH {{forumTopicSubject}}
Inde på Monty Roberts' Facebook side, er der rigtig mange positive og negatice kommentarer i omløb, efter det er kommet frem, at han vil lave en clinic med Big Lick Tennessee Walking Horses.
Big Lick er en liga for TWHer på Stacks (de store klodser de har på hovene, for at give ekstra action fortil).
<b>Monty Roberts har nu svaret et af de mange spørgsmål, der lyder således:</b>
<i>Monty - perhaps you could reply to the many people now criticising you because of a film on YouTube "join up with JFK" (2006) where you are working a Tennessee Walking horse stacked up in front.
Personally I am dismayed at you, a true horse lover , condoning this practice by working with this horse. The practicing of stacking up and "soring" is absolutely immoral and should be banned. It causes the horses pain and creates deformaties in the back.
Monty - how could you have condoned this???</i>
Montys svar er meget langt, så istedet beskriver jeg meget kort hans pointe, og poster selve svaret i en tråd for sig:
Han forklarer, at han synes at TWHen er en vidunderlig race, og han har ikke med dem at gøre fordi han støtter Big Lick industrien, men fordi han prøver at hjælpe hestene ved at forklare deres ejere, hvorfor stacks er dårlige for hestene. Han mener ikke, at det er retfærdigt over for hestene, at enhver der har med dem at gøre, automatisk betragtes som en der støtter denne meget dårligt omtalte industri.
Tværtimod er han af den holdning, at folk har en tendens til at opfatte hestene som ”de skyldige”, og ikke de mennesker der udsætter dem for vold og soring.
Den clinic han lavede i 2006, med en meget kendt TWH hingst (på stacks), som flere gange har været vist på div. danske hestefora, og også i denne gruppe, fortæller han, var en privat clinic, og ikke noget han tog biletter for. Det viste sig senere, at det hele bare var for at ejerne af hingsten, kunne få et billede af deres hingst sammen med 'Monty Roberts'. Dette konfronterede han dem med senere.
<b>- Se videoen her:</b>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vEJT9vwqwvY
Generelt forsøger han - med sine egne ord - at hjælpe industrien, ved at snakke med hestenes ejere, og fortælle hvad han mener er forkert, som fx hestenes unaturlige hovvækst (de bliver beskåret og skoet, så hovene vokser mere ud af, end ned af), samt hestenes stacks.
Han blev engang vist rundt i en Big Lick stald, hvor ejeren senere kontaktede ham, og forsikrede ham om, at alle deres heste ville være uden stacks iløbet af de kommende 3-4 måneder.
Dette er bare en smule af alt det Monty skrev, men jeg synes dette indlæg er vigtigt, da jeg selv mistede respekten for ham efter at høre, at han planlagde en clinic med Big Lick Tennessee Walking Horses. Det glæder mig, at han selv har trådt frem.
dec 2011
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"Thank you for asking about this clip that occurred about six years ago.
I am extremely happy to have another opportunity to enlighten people as to my position regarding the human beings connected to the world of high level competition involving Tennessee Walking Horses. It is my pleasure to chime in once again where the “big lick” Tennessee Walking Horses are concerned.
There are comments that are so disappointing to me that it is difficult to find words to clearly describe it. The one that hurts me the deepest is that which states, “how could you have condoned this???” What in that clip would ever lead anyone to believe that I condoned stacks or soring? Can you scrape up a little respect for me and what I know, what I don’t know and my ability to observe?
The fact is that I was in Tennessee at the request of a large organization involving the Tennessee Walking Horse. It was my belief at the time and is still my belief that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Tennessee Walking Horse. It is the people who would do atrocious things to the Tennessee Walking Horse that I take issue with. Only these people are the criminals; they should be prosecuted and receive lifetime bans from competition.
This is my position; it was six years ago, it is today and it will be for the rest of my life. My entire career has been based on the fact that no one has the right to cause pain to another individual for the purpose of changing behavior.
Please, once again, listen to the facts surrounding the clip in question. I was in Tennessee working only with three and four year old, untrained Tennessee Walking Horses for the purpose of demonstrating that they were more effectively trained without violence than ever with the use of violence. This was a private event, not a ticketed event. I had no control over the horses coming to me. Late in the proceedings, the gate opened and they brought in a horse they introduced as a world champion stallion. He was on stacks. It was clear later that all they were looking for was a photo op, including Monty Roberts and their world champion stallion. If indeed that was the case, they paid a price for the decision. You did not hear my conversation with the owner after that.
Let me bring clarity to the facts surrounding this episode. I told the owner that I believed the artificial foot growth and the stacks were unnatural and harmful. The following two days were spent by me working as hard as I possibly could to get these people to see the error of those ways. I went through the stallion barn, explained what I saw wrong with the stacks and the artificial foot growth. Each of you should know that within three weeks I was told that each and every stallion would be on natural feet within three to four months, and that has been the policy of that operation since my visit.
The recent exposure of the TWH trainer uncovered a criminal. He should be prosecuted and never allowed to train or compete with a horse for the balance of his life on this earth. An example must be set. These are words that I said six years ago regarding several trainers that were under suspension at that time. Suspension is a good thing so long as suspension means a life time suspension for anyone who would deliberately cause pain or set a horse up for pain in an attempt to improve performance. This is not my way and never will be my way.
Some comments here are gratifying, as they left the door open for this explanation. Others were extremely disappointing because I would hope that each of you would have more faith in me than to think that I was ever in a position to encourage, comply with or condone activity of this sort. When explaining it years ago, I found myself saying over and over again, “Maybe you’re right. Maybe I should never go to another prison, youth detention center, youth in crisis center or domestic abuse center. Those are bad people in there. I should stay as far from them as I can and just simply wish them all dead.” This is ridiculous; this is where I am needed. I don’t get many calls to go to prayer meetings or Sunday schools for gifted children. Would you not be upset with me if I took the position that I should never go back to South America because they are extremely brutal to horses, wives, children and even people who work for them? It seems clear to me that you would praise me if I went to a youth detention center, worked with brutal parents and had a picture taken with a six year old boy who had two black eyes, a swollen lip and bruises over his entire body. Can’t you see that these wonderful TWH are simply those children and it is the adults in their lives that need help?
Some of these adults including the trainer recently uncovered are beyond repair. They need a life sentence.
Others have come to accept the brutal ways of a given environment, but can, in fact, be rehabilitated if we will spend the time, energy and effort to reach out in an attempt to show them a better way. In my courses I often ask, “If one sees a 90 year old lady knocked down by a man in his twenties in the street, who then grabs her purse and runs away, how many victims did you see?” The answer, virtually every time, is, ONE. I correct my students to say, “I bet you saw two. If we could follow the perpetrator and find him, he too would be a victim of violence at some point in his past. It doesn’t make him right, and he needs to be disciplined, but no one could do something like that unless he was mentally deranged or victimized to the extent that he became behaviorally dysfunctional.” These TWH trainers are behaviorally dysfunctional.
Recently I was asked to come to Tennessee to further work with people who are desirous of change within that industry. Subsequent to the Night Line television report, I will not go unless I am accompanied by the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Night Line organization themselves.
This is a sad state of affairs because it discloses the fact that I am worried about people who will blame me for going anywhere near the TWH industry. I feel that these people are blaming the horses and not the criminals. If one sits back and clearly views all of the circumstances involved, they will realize that this is a mistake.
Six years ago, I received reams of hate mail for the fact that I tried to help these wonderful animals by dealing with their human counterparts. I view this as a huge disservice to these animals that mean no harm to anyone and desperately need those of us who can influence in a positive way, their future.
I ask each of you to muster faith in me and come at the world in such a way so as to encourage me to help with this problem, not to blame me for wanting to help with this problem. It is my opinion that each of you is trying to do the right thing and, while I am not blaming my detractors, I would ask for a more complete observation.
Thank you for the opportunity to state my case. I am passionate about my life’s goal which is to leave the world a better place than I found it for horses, and people, too. What I have done in the world of the TWH is exactly in line with that goal. I will continue to help those in need for the balance of my days.
Where you see fit, help me and younger generation that I am working hard with so that I can pass the baton in the sure and certain knowledge that this work will go on long after I am gone. The horses have earned this kind of dedication through thousands of years of honorable service. It is my belief that each of you has actively supported the non-violent training of horses.
With that in mind, I caution you to be careful because people can perceive the darndest things. Six years ago I must have received four or five hundred extremely negative comments. It tends make one wonder if it’s all worthwhile and then I look into the eyes of these horses and I know I don’t have to wait for human beings to express appreciation for my work."
okt 2004
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Jeg er normalt slet ikke tilhænger af ham - eller nok mere nogle af hans metoder (fx join up, duallygrimen osv) men dette er jeg dog meget glad for at høre.
Om det han siger så passer eller ej, er en anden diskussion, men jeg vælger at lade tvivlen komme ham til gode.
apr 2005
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Men hvis der skal Monty Roberts til at stoppe den omgang uhyrlighed, så værsgo, stil ham helt op foran med et banner og en megafon i hånden!
okt 2009
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Derfor laver Monty Roberts clinic med Big Lick TWH
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